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    Perspective

    Post by dleet on Fri Sep 30, 2016 2:08 am

    First topic message reminder :

    You know I'm big on perspective. I think it's a sibling or close cousin to context. When context and perspective get together over drinks they laugh and poke fun at the lack of critical thinking skills or grasp of logic and truth. Viewpoint, outlook, and point of view sought to include perspicacious in their debriefing cocktails but were worried since nouns don't always open their table to adjectives without the proper vetting.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/georgianne-nienaber/what-are-we-missing-about_b_8130026.html]Haitian perspective Remember too, somewhere I posted Obama's 'Realist' nature and the Haiti actions support just that philosophy. Aid is not denied, but what it is for and how it is doled out and for what ends, goals, and ultimate results was. What was launched under Reagan was wasteful, and a national debt tripled in size was evidence. That debt was at 6 to 7 times the interest rate the debt is today and was choking the budget for funds required for real needs. It's also what the GOP used to be for, responsibility.

    http://www.juancole.com/2014/01/reasons-benghazi-clintons.html


    I could do the same Whole Story perspective and context on NAFTA. GHW signed the treaty and was running on making it law. Had he been against NAFTA he would not win and the issue moot. Keeping his campaign positions early was important to establish the atmosphere. Keeping and honoring USA's treaties is usually a presidential tradition to assure allies and enemies that we are not a third world country with schizophrenia in international relations. It also calmed the markets. It was an early venture into the  free trade realm so the theory once implemented could be expected to need tweaks after evaluations and new projections of economic impacts short and long term, including which trade competition could fill the void should we ignore a third of our own continent's economy and it's security.

    I agree with Bernie that NAFTA cost a lot more than anyone was led to believe, but it would've gone into action anyhow if GHW was elected. It was still the right move to also establish the spirit of bipartisanship he and Gore were running on as centrists. Screwing the GOP by reneging on a negotiated treaty he had agreed to, was elected on, and then seeking a tax increase from the same party would not be wise.  The first Model Ts caused job losses in the saddle and horseshoe fields, too.

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    Re: Perspective

    Post by Ren's View on Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:27 am

    Keep in mind that the first thing a dictator is going to do when taking power is change the rules.  It's an act of pure ego and a show of power.  The strict father does the same thing.  Also keep in mind that a lot of people are of a mind to see that as the act of the hero in our children's story telling we call entertainment here in the U.S.  The heroic rogue cop does it and the children watch and cheer.  The Hero (Clint Eastwood, for example) comes to town and changes all the rules; creates a little chaos, upsets a lot of people who thought they were in charge. And the watchers cheer.  The strict parent step father comes into the household and changes the rules. My way or the highway, he says. The kids, who didn't like mom's rules, may even like it, at first.  Liberals, Democrats are the moms in this country.

    This guy is behaving right on cue, so far.

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    Re: Perspective

    Post by dleet86 on Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:56 pm

    Triangulation for authoritarians looks like this. The gop can do all the unpopular things they would be voted out for if done by congress by just blaming donald. The donors get all the things the people are against, brilliant. Did This American Exceptionalism℠ benefit from free trade with Russia? This is Putinesque or or at least puttana..esque.
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    Re: Perspective

    Post by Ren's View on Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:05 am

    If he thinks he can gag science, what could possibly be his self imagined limits in that regard?  And what can possibly be our own limits to alarm about this action?  I can't think of any. This is authoritarian power drunk on itself.   Reproach of this public servant and these dictatorial actions is a mild form of what he's due by the general public of this nation that employs him.

    Trump seeks to gag US scientists

    Alex Kirby wrote:

    Andrew Rosenberg of the Union of Concerned Scientists  (UCS) said: “If you care about clean air, clean water and policies that actually protect people, you need the best independent science – and actions like this make it harder for Americans to benefit from science.
    “That the administration has moved so quickly to clamp down on scientists shows that the Trump administration is more focused on lifting rules on polluters than keeping our air and water clean.”
    The UCS says the attempts to restrict scientists working for federal agencies is “a complete change from the scientific integrity policies in operation at 26 agencies during the eight years of Barack Obama’s presidency.”
    One of the co-chairs of a newly-formed group, the Scientists’ March on Washington, Caroline Weinberg, said the news of the restrictions had “lit a fire under us.”
    “We were inspired (well, infuriated) by the current attacks on science from the new administration”, she wrote in an email. “Slashing funding and restricting scientists from communicating their findings (from tax-funded research!) with the public is absurd and cannot be allowed to stand as policy.”


    Scientists are organizing in order to appropriately respond to this intimidation.

    I registered for this and will "attend" on line today (ll:00 AM my time):

    WEBINAR | The Outlook for Science in the New Administration and Congress 

    This from the spokesperson of AAAS:

    AAAS Responds to Moves to Halt EPA and USDA Public Communications 

    AAAS Staff Report wrote:

    AAAS CEO Rush Holt responded Tuesday to moves by the Trump administration to bar employees at the Environmental Protection Agency and the Department of Agriculture from communicating with the media or engaging on social media.

    “We are concerned about reports that federal agencies – including the Department of Agriculture and the Environmental Protection Agency – have issued directives to staff that may silence the voices of scientific researchers and others working for the federal government,” said Holt in a statement.

    Holt held out hope that the measures are temporary and being taken as the agencies await Senate confirmation of President Donald Trump’s nominees for the two departments. “Our hope is that this is a temporary measure put into place until the new government agency heads are confirmed by the Senate,” Holt said.

    But Holt sounded concern about potential ethical and policy implications of such moves.

    “Many federal agencies have existing scientific integrity policies that prohibit political interference in the public dissemination of scientific findings,” added Holt. “As the AAAS Council stated in 2006: Censorship, intimidation, or other restriction on the freedom of scientists employed or funded by governmental organizations to communicate their unclassified scientific findings and assessments not only to each other but also to policymakers and to the public is inimical to the advance of science and its appropriate application in the policy domain."


    Of course if the Republicans in Congress work with the Presidency to completely privatize all of our science, then of course the private concerns can then control the message from scientific findings.  That has been proven over and over.  Think of how long it took to get the well known message out as a formal, legal policy upon which the public can take action that smoking tobacco and breathing the smoke second hand causes cancer.  And it would never have happened without public funded science to back it.  Many more would be dying of cancer to this day with no formal way of knowing why (yes, yes, obviously that means more money for private medical and pharmaceutical companies, that capitalistic logic goes without bothering to dwell on it in any sane thinking person's mind).

    The utter and vacuous stupidity of a portion of the American public that is willing to tolerate such privatizing actions in order to reduce the cost of government through taxation speaks for itself.

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    Re: Perspective

    Post by ogun on Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:20 am

    So how long do you guess before the herd realizes the pasture they've been led to, or perhaps a better phrasing is herded into, how long do you think it'll be before the herd realizes the ground is barren? Stripped bare and already over grazed?
     
    Nature bats last.

    Check where the exits are located, keep the life vests handy and tighten your seat belts the ride ahead is going to get rough folks.
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    Re: Perspective

    Post by Ren's View on Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:17 am

    One thing I'm not very good at, ogun, is predicting specifics.  Especially a when of something. 

    I'm pretty sure I can see where things are headed, but as you point out, nature bats last.  Hard to even tell when the last inning has arrived.  It's possible it already has, and nature batted last. I'm pretty sure it's got the winning score.

    I'd say stay clear of the cities.  This petit dictator president has no more comprehension than of a roll of toilet paper for that document we call our Constitution.  The Posse Comitatus Act is of no apparent concern to him already (Chicago mayor warns Trump against deploying troops).



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    Re: Perspective

    Post by dleet86 on Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:59 am

    Protests, riots, location, location, location. Protests in the \60s were college campuses. Riots were protests in urban settings. The middle east might think those protests like recent ones are similar to a letter to the editor. After 2 decades of dictatorships one learns what protests are. No real Scotsman or no real conservative, or no real capitalism, or no real democracy are all POV of non-binary statements. Perspective always includes context and a "compared to X" qualifier. GGGN was Philosophy 101 or the 'greatest good for the greatest number' sounded moral to me then and still does. That was also the tale end of the greatest good for the geatest number in history as measured by GDP increase. Globally it doubled between 1948 and 1974 and OPEC. That also was when the Marshall Plan committed 3% of US's entire GDP to Europe while facing 150% of entire GDP in national debt to WW2. However, war being addictive required another war in 5 years then 10 years. '74 was the end of Keynes and beginning of the neoliberals. The gains of the 26 year period of good through trade and co-existance, the civil rights, voting rights, and labor rights achieved were in the crosshairs now.

    Poverty has actually decreased with NAFTA. I was not a liberal over here but have learned more detailed backgrounds for policies I now support. It doesn't hurt that it is so damned easy to divorce myself and positions from any American ones. Basic civil rights are now considered liberal in some circles.  

    3 decades of dictators puts 2050 and underwater Florida as finally the point of change. With all the militarized police and guard units as displayed at Falling Rock, and willingness to fire on crowds like Kent State except that flash grenades and blown limbs are now accepted along with cops killing unarmed fleeing citizens on film being allowed and staliking unarmed kids before killing them is allowed.
    The retired FL cop that shot and killed a customer at a movie because he texted his daughter's daycare during trailers and previews claimed Stand Your Ground because the Dad threw popcorn at him.
    Austria rejected alt-right progress recently. Why Austria was thought to be a fertile ground for fascism is beyond me.
    The Netherlands rejected it, too. Both countries have election systems that encourage voting rather than restricting it. All of the nasty examples of American events are America as seen through a tv filter, but when only half of the country votes or can vote, the country is not a right wing cess pool at all. But CA ought to secede until they get senate representation for their people.
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    Re: Perspective

    Post by Ren's View on Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:49 am

    Meanwhile the Holocene Sixth Mass Extinction rolls on, even if it's soon to be a jail-able offense to speak of it.  Oh, right, that's just a silly perspective in a comic book world.
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    Re: Perspective

    Post by Ren's View on Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:58 am

    The Pleistocene-Holocene Event: The Sixth Great Extinction

    Ernst Mayr wrote:

    Background extinction and mass extinction are drastically different in most respects. Biological causes and natural selection are dominant in background extinction, whereas physical factors and chance are dominant in mass extinction. Species are involved in background extinction, and entire higher taxa in mass extinction.


    As the cause of today's mass extinction, we humans are no longer just a biological phenomenon, but are now a physical factor equivalent to an asteroid or continental drift in radically changing biological diversity. We are not exterminating only individual species, but “entire higher taxa.”






    The grim truth is that we humans are the cause of modern extinctions. How do we do it?
    Extinction expert David Wilcove and his colleagues list five anthropogenic causes of extinction in the United States, in order of current importance: habitat destruction; non-native (alien) species; pollution; overexploitation; disease. (Worldwide, however, overexploitation is far more important than in the United States today.)

    Here are a few examples of the ways humans cause extinction in each of these categories.

    Habitat Destruction. We reduce, modify, degrade, or transform natural habitat upon which species depend by burning, agricultural clearing, logging, mining, grazing by domestic animals, preventing natural fire, damming rivers, dewatering rivers through irrigation diversion, drying up springs and streams through groundwater pumping, eliminating keystone species like beaver and prairie dogs whose activities create habitat for other species, and urban and suburban development. Furthermore, we fragment habitat—thereby disrupting necessary patterns of movement of many species—through the above activities and by building roads, clearing power-line rights-of-way, and driving vehicles.

    Non-native (Alien) Species. As humans have spread into new lands, we have brought with us disruptive alien species that are generally well adapted to human disturbance and that outcompete native species, in part because their normal enemies, such as predators and diseases, are left behind. Such damaging invaders include plants and animals, both deliberately introduced species such as domestics or ornamentals, and accidentally introduced species such as weeds or pests. These non-native species include predators (cats, rats, pigs) and competitors (starlings, tamarisk, zebra mussels.

    Pollution. Pollution, whether localized or global (acid rain, greenhouse gases), can poison the waters and soils that are habitat for sensitive species, or leach away needed nutrients. Global warming and atmospheric ozone depletion—major threats to life forms worldwide—are caused largely by air pollution.

    Overexploitation. Hunting, fishing, trapping, collecting, and government “pest” eradication programs have caused the extinction of many species and seriously endanger others today.

    Disease. As humans have spread around the world, we have brought exotic diseases with us. Global trade is spreading many new diseases. An exotic disease caused the loss of the American chestnut in the wild. The black-footed ferret was nearly wiped out by canine distemper, a disease not native to the Americas.



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    Re: Perspective

    Post by Ren's View on Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:28 am

    dleet86 wrote:
    3 decades of dictators puts 2050 and underwater Florida as finally the point of change. With all the militarized police and guard units as displayed at Falling Rock, and willingness to fire on crowds like Kent State except that flash grenades and blown limbs are now accepted along with cops killing unarmed fleeing citizens on film being allowed and stalking unarmed kids before killing them is allowed.
    The retired FL cop that shot and killed a customer at a movie because he texted his daughter's daycare during trailers and previews claimed Stand Your Ground because the Dad threw popcorn at him.

    A Last Chance for Resistance

    Chris Hedges wrote:

    The crawl toward despotism within a failed democracy is always incremental. No regime planning to utterly extinguish civil liberties advertises its intentions in advance. It pays lip service to liberty and justice while obliterating the institutions and laws that make them possible. Its opponents, including those within the establishment, make sporadic attempts to resist, but week by week, month by month, the despot and his reactionary allies methodically consolidate power. Those inside the machinery of government and the courts who assert the rule of law are purged. Critics, including the press, are attacked, ridiculed and silenced. The state is reconfigured until the edifice of tyranny is unassailable.


    Each wave extinguishing the pretense of democracy within the incremental creep of neoliberalism in the world's "civilized" economic system brings on more outspoken intentions from the elite.  The Trump Administration is no exception.  It proves so far that its inside members pay less lip service to civil liberties than even the Bush Administration did, with its philosophical concentration of Machiavellian neoconservatives, and it advertises its intentions to dismantle the government with less visible concern for public reaction than any administration in the past.

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